Solar, battery and electrification — series intro

A few neighbours and friends have asked us lately for advice about solar panels, house battery, EVs etc. Here’s our real life experience, starting a series of posts on different topics.

We installed solar and battery when we moved into our house (Emerald, Victoria) about two years ago. We already had an EV (electric car). This week, we finally got around to replacing our gas hot water with an electric heat pump. Next month we’re replacing our gas ducted heating with a multi head split air conditioning system.

Overall, our solar and battery provide more electricity than we use. We’re also connected to the electricity grid so we can import when we need more, or export when we have a surplus.

We aim to produce all the power that we need. On the rare times that we import electricity from the grid, our retailer bills us. More often, we export our surplus electricity to the grid, for which they give us a credit. Overall, we have more credit than debits, so we don’t have to pay anything. All this depends on your electricity plan, which I’ll discuss in a separate post.

The distributor (such as AusNet or AusGrid) limits the solar system to 10kW, for a house with single phase connection (which is the usual). If you have a three phase connection, you can get more. They also limit the maximum power you can export to the grid. When we first connected, we were limited to 1.5kW, but that was later increased to 5kW.

We have a 10kW solar system, and a 13.5kWh battery. We power all our appliances, air conditioning, heat pump hot water, and our EV (electric car). Overall, we produce more electricity than we can use. Like most systems, our peak usage is usually in the evenings, but peak solar production is in the middle of the day. Having a battery to save the energy from the day to use in the evening avoids us having to pay for expensive electricity. Our car also typically charges whenever there is surplus solar, such as in the middle of the day.

Nowadays with the government battery 30% rebate, it’s worth getting a bigger battery, like 20 to 40kWh. Just make sure that the installer guarantees that it does all you want it to do (which I’ll list in a separate post).

Please ask any questions (here as comments)and we’ll try to answer. Or others wiser than us will answer.

Coming up

How do I compare quotes?
How do I minimise electricity costs? Can I make money?
What else would you like to know?

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37 comments

  1. Got a Sungrow 19kw battery getting installed in 2 weeks 🙌
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    1. Daniel Rond Nice! How big is your solar? No more electricity bills, probably. I'll post a battery quote checklist soon – hopefully useful.
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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping it’s only a 8.36kw system because I’m limited to the panels I’m allowed on the roof because my house is Heritage Listed

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      2. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping they won’t allow me to have any panels that’s visible from the street
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      3. Daniel Rond Oh, right. 8.36kW seems pretty good to me 🙂.
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      4. Daniel Rond that's only the case if all the other roofs are not full.
        Solar access rights are real.
        If there are other roof spaces suitable for solar they must be used first.

        I would argue you need 3x that array as 8kW panels will be lucky to make 12kWh a day two months of the year you need it most..

        Good luck - expert in this is Matthew Wright at Pure Electric
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    2. Ashley Fernandes via Facebook ↗
      Prices are tumbling. I'm having a 41 Kw with 10KW inverter for under $10K installed soon. Solar producing about 40 KW a day so more than enough. 'Cheap' tho it is, the AGL ev plan at 8 c a kw makes it line ball as to whether it will ever pay off. Particularly with the 3 free hours coming up next year.
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      1. Ashley Fernandes brands in those price ranges are very new to market.
        $10k out of your mortgage is $1731 a year you need to be better off with it than beforehand.

        Solar inverters do not last forever and technologies in better brands are there so that they do live longer - EG SIC MOSFETs instead of IGBTs lower the demands on the capacitors for smoothing and help them live longer.
        Not all inverters have that tech and hence will be unlikely to survive the warranty period.

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  2. We have a 13.2kW solar system and an electric hot water system, haven't paid an electricity bill in over 12 months WINNING
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    1. Kylie Gilroy Great! Do you have a battery? Is your hot water standard element type or heat pump? Your car runs on sunshine, too!
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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping no, we don't want or need a battery, in the 11 years we've lived here I can count on 1 hand how many times we've had a blackout and they haven't been long blackouts.

        We didn't even lose power the last time a cyclone was close and we got the tail end of it.

        Funny story about the hot water system, it's getting installed on Monday (Aaron's birthday) hahaha can I pretend it's my gift to him.

        Our gas hot water system died 3 weeks ago so we've been using a camp shower and heating up water on the oven top 🙄

        We have a 315L Rinnai electric system getting installed, a couple of different plumbers actually didn't recommend heat pumps but regardless of that we are happy with what we are getting, the electrician is also coming on Monday as well, another birthday gift for Aaron 🤣
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  3. Can I get a sense of how much electricity you use? We currently still have our leaky boat of a house. We have no solar yet as we’re hoping to rebuild soon. Have an EV - even with no solar it’s still tonnes cheaper to run than the old car. My EV is now our primary car as the other guzzles a lot of petrol. EV 2 a few years away.
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    1. Alice Chiew here’s our grid usage for the past year. Net export

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    2. Alice Chiew here’s our home usage for the year
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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping wow the data is amazing! 🤩
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    3. Alice Chiew second hand EVs are great value at the moment. Two years more petrol is a lot 🤔 😉.

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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping its the lack of access to charging that’s making life difficult. Kiddult has an EV for his first car - we wanted to gift him no fossil fuel or petrol bills for his whole driving life. Hopefully soon.
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  4. Kevin Powers via Facebook ↗
    Great info guys. Thanks so much.
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  5. Our bill for the last 12 months for a fully electric house with 5 EV’s in Canberra was $9.76. House was nice and warm in winter.
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  6. Love this post! Thankyou 😉
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    1. Lana Whyte Hi neighbour 👋. Please add any questions you might have.

      I’ve added a second post, hopefully helpful:

      What size solar system should I get?:
      https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Gf9ATACkB/

      More to come.

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  7. Good post, just one comment - Ausgrid and Ausnet are distribution network service providers - not regulators. That's the Australian Energy Regulator
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    1. Stephen Sizer Thank you ☺️. I’ve edited the post to say “distributor”. Does that sound correct?
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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping Yep perfect 👍🏻☺️
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  8. I have 12.9kwh of solar but no battery. I still pay $2-300 a month for power. Still on gas for hot water but have ducted reverse cycle AC and a pool plus I charge my EV 2 or 3 times a week from 12am to 6am. I think a battery will be in my future.
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    1. Greg Lewis High 👋. I’m guessing that most/all of your electricity expense is in the evening when there’s no solar, but there’s high demand. You can probably check that in your solar app? If so, I expect that a battery in your future would allow you to instead use your own stored energy from the sunlight ☀️.

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      1. Facebook visitor via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping yes definitely drops off after around 6pm even though I have 4kw on the western roof of my shed.

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    2. Greg Lewis how much you spending on gas?

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      1. Karl Jensen about $300 a quarter
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      2. Greg Lewis you on the OVO deal?
        That gas bill goes to $50 or less as most of the water heating fits in the three hours free window.

        Vs $630 savings with battery and VPP or $290 savings battery only.

        I do better at ~$800 however.....
        My battery was $15k and thus needs to save me $2500 a year.
        With battery rebate still $10k and would need to save $1730 a year.

        Electricity industry on notice as more households invest in subsidised batteries and solar | ACCC https://share.google/97h19agrlJnR0yqaU

        Your gas bill likely made up of $300 in service charges and $800 in gas
        2/3 of that happens in winter as double the water heating required vs summer as cold water is 10 instead of 20 and you need to heat to 50 instead of 42 like summer.

        I work for iStore

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    3. Greg Lewis via Facebook ↗
      I have instant gas hot water. And nobody is home during free hours for ovo.

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  9. I’ve added a second post in this series:

    What size solar system should I get?:
    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Gf9ATACkB/
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  11. Have 10kw of solar and 30kw of battery storage system is always fully charged at 11 am battery only draws down to 68% at night I run air conditioning 24/7
    Well worth a bigger battery if you are sending to grid

    Just make sure you have full house blackout protection

    In credit on power bills always
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    1. Chris Phillips in going to be in a similar situation. I have 3 phase 15kwh inverter. How can I ensure full house blackout? As he only said essential circuits.

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  12. We recently installed a 32kwh battery and replaced our old solar with 10.8kwh panels.
    Haven’t used anything from the grid since even with charging my ev every couple of days.
    House battery is usually full by lunch time so exporting to the grid for most of the arvo, wish we did get a bigger battery so I could charge the car more overnight.
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  13. Sethu Radha Krishnan via Facebook ↗
    Just adding my thoughts.
    Solar,
    Battery,
    EV,
    Home consumption through electric systems
    AMBER is the best option.

    Solar feed it tariff during the day is not sufficient to reduce your bill.
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