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Goodbye gas! I finally organised disconnecting the ducted gas heating at our home.

If only we could see the burnt gas pouring into the air, all the time, and not just when the condensation highlights it (as in the photos). Pumping carcinogens and greenhouse gases into the air that we breathe. It’s nuts.

It was costing us up to $528 per month to run the heating in winter. Our replacement air conditioning will be closer to free, thanks to our solar and battery.

We recently also replaced our gas hot water with a heat pump.

Our one remaining gas appliance is our stove top. Once that’s gone, we will save $35 per month just for the connection fee. And no more gas!

We’re replacing the gas heating with some split air conditioners.

For those who might say “what about in a blackout”? Note the power point connection on the old gas heating. Our old gas hot water heat pump had one too. They both needed electricity to run. In fact, in addition the gas consumed, the heating used about 1kW of electricity for the fans, which is about what our air conditioner used to maintain a warm temperature, once reached. Our battery provides backup power during a grid outage.

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  1. Leesa Coot via Facebook ↗
    We have just converted everything over to electric, have solar, but want to put in a battery. May I ask who you went through if you'd recommend them?
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Leesa Coot Hi. Here’s our post about battery installation:
      https://www.facebook.com/share/1AQd9ARwkg/
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    2. Baden Planko via Facebook ↗
      Leesa Coot i can assist you with a quotation if wanted im based in cockatoo

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  2. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
    lol that’s an efficient gas heater… can’t wait to see your electricity bills
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Michael Borowik It’s going to be way less than our gas bills 💸. Probably 10%, thanks to our solar and battery.
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      1. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping in winter- nope… you’re in for a shock, unless your idea of comfortable is 15 degrees or you have a wood fire
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      2. Anthony Long via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowikike you would know.

        Seriously, why do you go around posting on things you know nothing about?

        Do you have a lot of money invested in natural gas or something?

        Why would you care what other people do to reduce their costs?
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      3. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik bot
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      4. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik mate I'm in the same spot, solar heat pump hot water only gas is the stove, gas bills are $60 for 2 months which is going in the bin in a few months, power bills are 70 in summer 110 in winter with 2 of us and 2 pet snakes with the tanks running 24/7 drawing about 400w a hour a.c stays on all-day for the dogs and most of the night for me, about the same in reverse for winter, Goodluck with your $900 winter gas bills but
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      5. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Nathan Reeves ohhh that’s funny champ!!!
        The 540 came from the author….
        It’s ok, you have post numbers, they are bogus….

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      6. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik what are you on about the $540, I'm telling you what my bills are, inbox me ya 🤡 and I'll send them to you

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      7. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik power $76 for a month gas was $52 for 2 months, again have fun with yours 😂
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      8. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Nathan Reeves yep, you don’t have heating or air con. Or use wood fired heating. Pretty simples really

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      9. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik lmfao we have a 6kw split system that's on more then it's off, solar mate, it makes about %200 of our usage, with a battery we wouldn't need the grid at all but we just bought the house 10 months ago and have already spent more $ this year then your doll payments for your entire life 🤣, so the battery is another time
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      10. Will Zee via Facebook ↗
        Anthony Long hes all over any government posts too. Just upset at people taking control of their energy bills

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      11. Stephen McKenna via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping but you paid for the solar installation? So by the time you pay it back would really be the same ?

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      12. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
        Stephen McKenna Yes, I paid for solar and battery installation. It was the first thing we did when we moved in here. It’s an up front cost, to reduce or eliminate ongoing costs. It also gives us energy independence. A few weeks after installation, we had a grid outage in the mountains for nine days, but our system kept the lights on for us and our neighbours.

        It pays for itself pretty quickly by eliminating our fuel bills (car and house). In the past two years, we haven’t yet had to pay an electricity bill, or petrol bill. And soon, no gas bill.
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      13. Stephen McKenna via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping what battery do you have ?

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      14. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
        Stephen McKenna We have a 13.5kWh Tesla Powerwall 2 battery. Small by today’s standards.

        Some of our battery experience:
        https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AftoifxPR/

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      15. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik bs
        Not sure where you bring this idea from

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      16. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Stephen McKenna like every investment, ROI is the key.

        Normally it's 6-7 years.
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      17. Poppa Fox via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping two weeks of clouds and rain your power bill will go through the roof if your telling the truth on your gas bills

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    2. Tim Forcey via Facebook ↗
      Michael Borowik Heat with air cons for around one third the cost of gas. Try it you'll like it!
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      1. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Tim Forcey yes and no.
        That’s not my point champ.
        Cold climate, with a bill that large a poorly sized heat pump system will not work, unless your idea of warm is 15-18 degrees.
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      2. Anthony Long via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik it's not THAT cold...

        This isn't a climate where you get shit tons of snow.

        Seriously, you're clueless about this subject.

        How many shares do you have in natural gas? Why do you care so much that people are choosing a cheaper option?
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      3. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Anthony Long ahh no champ… kinda what I do for a living. I might just know a hell of a lot more about the subject than you!
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      4. Anthony Long via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik so you work in the gas industry and are just trying to defend it?

        Is that what you're saying?

        Because you definitely know nothing about RCAC and what temperatures they can operate under.
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      5. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Anthony Long no champ. I work on hvac gear…. So yeah, kinda know what I am talking about
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      6. Anthony Long via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik Clearly you don't if you think RCAC has problems in Australia's relatively mild climate..

        In places like Texas where you get sub zero temperatures for periods is where you have problems. Not in Australia.

        Time to hang up the boots and go work at Woolies.
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      7. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Anthony Long no champ… old mate is up in the Dandenongs in Victoria….
        I think it’s time you jump into NDIS cobba, you clearly are delusional and need help

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      8. Anthony Long via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik oh no! The Dandenong!

        Yeah changes nothing champ.

        Hang up your boots. You have NFI.

        Why do you jump on this sort of stuff huh?

        You hate EVs too I have seen. Anti-renewable too.

        So I doubt your word.

        Only reason MUST be you have shares in the fossil fuel industry.

        Why else would you be trying to protect it? There is no other logical reason for it at all

        Seriously, claiming that RCAC doesn't work in the Dandenong really cements the fact you have NFI. It's not that cold you fucking bottomfeeder.
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      9. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Anthony Long lol, you gotta be a rock
        Spider…

        The venom has gone to your little head…

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      10. Karl Jensen via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik are gas companies giving away gas?
        I get energy free 11-2pm from the grid which heats my house and runs my cars
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      11. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik yeah sure.
        And I'm a rocket scientist
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      12. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar maybe you enjoy the recital rocket ???

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    3. James Mackness via Facebook ↗
      Michael Borowik an 'efficient' gas heater is up to about 95% efficient. A heat pump can be more like 400% efficient. We run ours during the middle of the day on free electricity, plus it also cools in summer. Our 2 bed fully electric house and car costs about $1000 per year to run. Our similar sized rental round the corner used to cost that just in winter for the gas and prices have risen considerably in the last 6 years. Keep believing the fossil fuel lobby if you like, but lived experience of all electric homes (and physics) don't lie.
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      1. Michael Borowik via Facebook ↗
        James Mackness nope…. They are completely different ways of heating. So energy in and energy out isn’t equal.
        The gas heater has a condensing burner, it’s about the most efficient way of using the gas to heat.

        I think your mind can’t process the basics behind these principles

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      2. James Mackness via Facebook ↗
        Michael Borowik I'm well aware of how things work. Chemical energy being converted to heat can only ever get to 100%, but practically it'll never hit that. Heat pumps move heat between places, which means it can get over 100%.
        You will also never get free reticulated gas, whereas the government is bringing in 3 hours free electricity available for most of the country, so even if the efficiency was the same you could still save money with electric heating.
        Anything you're unable to understand there?
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      3. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        James Mackness the guy works in HVAC and still says gas is more efficient than heat pump that only uses energy to move the heat energy.

        He then go on about the Dandenongs being cold, so "cold" means for him "no heat".
        No one in the industry will be so stupid.

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    4. Michael Smith via Facebook ↗
      No it’s not.

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  3. Vincent Lui via Facebook ↗
    There is a small government rebate available for induction cooktops.
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  4. Atmaj Patel via Facebook ↗
    Would you get enough sunlight in winter to charge battery to run whole house as well as heating?
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Great question. It depends on the day. On a sunny day, I expect it will be enough. On a series of overcast or rainy days, we don’t generate as much solar, so we top up the battery from the grid when electricity is cheap, usually when solar and wind farms are pumping.

      During last winter, in the months where we avoided turning on the gas, we ran an old 7kW air con in the living room, and still had no net electricity bill for the year.
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      1. Steve Jenko via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping OVO, and charge for 3 hours free (maybe not if you have an EV?). Globird has 4 hours, but for some reason we didn't qualify, NFI why, but 3 hours a day is good enough.
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    2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Atmaj Patel changing at night at 6c per kWh solves the problem
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  5. Andrew Musgrave via Facebook ↗
    Daniel Harvey
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  6. Andrew Musgrave via Facebook ↗
    AH yes look at at all that dirty gas going into the air when it's cold... So much "gas"

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Andrew Musgrave As mentioned in the post, that is just the condensation. The burnt gas is generally not visible. But the condensation gives us a glimpse of what is really going on.
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  7. Brendan Cox via Facebook ↗
    Food for thought. Our gas stovetop uses very little gas, we had a gas fitter out who was able to convert it from natural gas to LPG. Unsure if this can be done with all appliances, but a 9l gas bottle lasts us close to 9 months.
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Brendan Cox Thanks. I had actually considered doing similar, just to avoid the monthly connection fee for the one remaining gas appliance. But I think we'll just go all the way with an induction stove. We have started using my portable single induction stove plate for one off cooking.

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    2. James Mackness via Facebook ↗
      Brendan Cox so at $40 per bottle that's about $50 per year, so if you purely want the lowest cost option that's probably the best one, but I'd personally never go back to using gas, it's horrible. Most people using induction are the same, but good to have an option for those looking to save money without the means to swap out a working appliance.
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    3. Gee Lloyd via Facebook ↗
      Brendan Cox Remember every time you cook with gas you’re poisoning yourself, family and the environment
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  8. Tim Forcey via Facebook ↗
    That's the way!
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Tim Forcey Thanks. I'll re-post this on MEEH shortly. But I still can't access it (or tag it) from my usual Facebook account 😢.

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  9. Allan Lancaster via Facebook ↗
    Im happy paying 40-45 a month to have a gas cooktop.

    Stuff using elec cook tops. Annoying asf
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    1. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
      Allan Lancaster then $100 a month for hot water then $200 a month for gas heating and your broke 😂

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      1. Allan Lancaster via Facebook ↗
        Nathan Reeves the only time my gas is high is in the winter but at least my house is toasty asf within seconds lol.

        Hot water? Hmmm instant hot water with gas.. my bills are less then 80 a month

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      2. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
        Allan Lancaster A surprise to me was that our heat pump hot water actually gives us hot water faster (the delay after turning on the tap) than our “instant gas hot water” did.

        https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17xtnGjv2E/

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      3. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
        Allan Lancaster I have a smart split system, can turn it on from my phone from anywhere over the cloud, set a timer to come on before I even wake up in the morning, you wouldn't know at all, as for hot water you obviously have no clue what a heat pump hot water service is and it runs for free from the solar most of the time we won't have a gas bill at all when we change the stove in a few months and winter is coming so yours will be what? Over $200 a month 🤡, yep tell us how that makes sense

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    2. James Mackness via Facebook ↗
      Allan Lancaster have you tried induction or are you just remembering what electric cooktops used to be like?
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      1. Allan Lancaster via Facebook ↗
        James Mackness ill admit i only remember the cooktops that turn on and off and have shit timers on elements
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    3. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Allan Lancaster I wasn’t a fan of our electric element stove at our previous home. I recently bought a portable induction stovetop to try that out and it’s been terrific. Faster and more controllable than gas, without the smell and inhaled fumes.

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      1. Allan Lancaster via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping ive never smelt a gas cooktop. If u can smell it it cant be good.

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      2. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
        Allan Lancaster A better word would have probably been “inhaled” or “breathed”. What you can’t smell is also not good.

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    4. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Allan Lancaster did you try induction?
      Electric and induction are two different things
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      1. Allan Lancaster via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar nah,, hated it as a teen. Never wanted to adopt.

        Gas is lit.

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      2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Allan Lancaster you tried induction as teen?
        Are you 21 now?

        Induction, at homes, is pretty new.
        It uses to be very hard to run induction at home. It was expensive and required 3 phase.

        You might wanna try again.
        Just to know what the options are.

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      3. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
        Allan Lancaster Points for the pun 😉. Yeah, I wasn’t fond of electric elements either, in the olden days. But since then, technology has advanced. Microwave ovens and induction cooktops now cook our food much faster. And we no longer need VHS tapes for movies.

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      4. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping VHS tapes were good for only one thing....

        But yeah, induction is completely different to electronic element.
        It's not heading transfer, but magnetic energy that vibrates the imperfections in the metal, leading to heat created directly in the pan/pot.

        That's why it's so quick and efficient.

        It also allows for very accurate control over the heating and cooking.

        Plus, no gas.

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    5. Gee Lloyd via Facebook ↗
      Allan Lancaster Remember every time you cook with gas you’re poisoning yourself, family and the environment
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      1. Allan Lancaster via Facebook ↗
        Gee Lloyd so is every car around me lol. My cars not killing me lol, even the yummy bacon i eat is killing me 😭

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  10. Howard Argus via Facebook ↗
    Does your estimated cost include charging an EV

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Howard Argus My estimated cost is very rough. But, yes, it includes charging our EV. We generally charge our EV during surplus solar, after everything else has what it needs.

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    2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Howard Argus mine is 1$ (connection fee) on a sunny day to 4$ on totally dark day.

      That's including all house usage and fully change the EV.
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      1. Howard Argus via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar sorry , your what?, is $1

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      2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Howard Argus daily cost per sunny day.
        I pay only connection fee and not using any imported electricity.

        I have almost 40kwh battery, so it's enough for everything.

        I don't include solar pay because it's piss nothing.
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      3. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Howard Argus then on dark days, I import during the night at 8c per kWh, so about 4$ for the EV and battery charge.

        I never import outside of the 00:00 - 06:00 super off peak.
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      4. Howard Argus via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar whst size solar system ?, we have 18kwh and export an average of 2000kwh per month , so looking to get a battery soon , not sure what size to go
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      5. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Howard Argus 38kwh and 13.1kw solar.

        Started with 24kwh, but the additional modules to go up to 38 was funny money, so went up.

        I'm not using it even if I try.
        Still export heaps.
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  11. Peter Keast via Facebook ↗
    Wow, we don't have a heating bill but a cooling bill and so we are currently in our peak period. Jan-Feb without our solar just based on usage (we have no off-peak or time of day usage) would have cost $573. With our solar and battery configuration it was $60. One noticeable drawback is no surprise, when the cloud cover is too thick (raining in our case) the production is too low to recharge batteries or run the A/C's so we draw from the grid.
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    1. PK Saxena via Facebook ↗
      Peter Keast this is why it's a better idea to oversize solar even if it is curtailed daily. In overcast conditions, we still get 3-4kW from our panels. It's enough to keep it all ticking. In pouring rain I've seen it still deliver ~1.2kW unless it is dense dark cloud cover.
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      1. Peter Keast via Facebook ↗
        We live in the tropic. 16.1kW of panels on the roof and 19.2kW battery. Daily average solar production is 65kW with 21kW average export. The rest charges the batteries and runs the house all day. We have a pool and A/C. We run A/C mot nights as well as days at this time of year so the battery expire around 1am to 3am most nights meaning we then live on the grid until about 7:30am. No complaints as the billing has decrease 90% overall. Based on figures so far the system will system become cost neutral in 8 years.
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      2. PK Saxena via Facebook ↗
        Peter Keast that is a good sized system! Ours is only slightly larger (19.4kW), but being in Adelaide the night cooling thing is super infrequent.
        I remember living in the tropics, you can't have enough power! Still, great result getting to 90% self sufficiency. Chasing the last dollar can be too expensive actually.
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  12. James Gifford via Facebook ↗
    Enjoy cold showers and huge bills 🤦
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    1. David Roberts via Facebook ↗
      James Gifford why is that?

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      1. James Gifford via Facebook ↗
        David Roberts Heat pumps are utterly useless

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      2. David Roberts via Facebook ↗
        James Gifford ok

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      3. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        James Gifford sure Jen
        I guess you never used one?

        I dunno, my hot water in the tap are the same hot that everyone else.
        Only cost me fraction of the price.

        But you do you.
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      4. James Gifford via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar Yep you'll see wait for winter champ

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      5. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        James Gifford wait until you hear about the how heat pump works.
        "Cold" doesn't mean " no heat".

        Also, you'll be stocked to hear they have electric element to boost if needed.

        Being cheap to run, at can run all day to heat the water for evening showers even when it's "cold" outside.
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      6. James Gifford via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar You can't convince an idiot that they are wrong and you are the proof

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    2. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      James Gifford Our heat pump hot water has been great so far. It uses negligible power and hasn’t cost us anything to run.

      https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17xtnGjv2E/

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    3. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      James Gifford wait until you hear about heat pumps with boost electric element and solar and batteries.
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      1. James Gifford via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar Wait until you hear about gas champ it will blow your mind.
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      2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        James Gifford heard about it, just disconnected it and change for full electronic.

        Got showers and saving 1000$ a years just on not having gas.
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      3. James Gifford via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar Unfortunately you have believed the lies and you've been sucked in 🤣

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      4. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        James Gifford not sure what lies.
        I have one. It works. Exactly as advertised.

        I'm pretty sure reality tells a different story than a random cooker on Facebook
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  13. Dino Stock via Facebook ↗
    I would suggest to stop speculating on the your savings until you start using the new setup and compare the bills. Cheers
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    1. Nathan Reeves via Facebook ↗
      Dino Stock I'll show you mine ya 🤡, inbox if you want the photo or find my other comment to the other 🤡

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    2. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Dino Stock Fair call. But I did compare months running our gas heating with months running our old single air conditioner, all in winter. So, I’m fairly confident that our winter heating bill will reduce from around $528 per month to close to $52, which will likely be offset by electricity profit in summer months. But, we’ll see 😊
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    3. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Dino Stock I have the same setup. His calculations are spot on.

      Do you have other calculations you have on mind?
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  14. Lainley Herringe via Facebook ↗
    Change It to diesel heating :)
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Lainley Herringe I’d rather not have to buy, transport and smell diesel.

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    2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Lainley Herringe why?
      He has the best energy source, why go back to a less effective one?
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  15. Alan North via Facebook ↗
    wont use anything but gas for cooking,also have gas water heating,nothing better
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Alan North With our hot water heat pump, we now pay next to nothing and it actually comes on hot from the tap faster.
      https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17xtnGjv2E/

      I preferred cooking with gas until I tried an induction stove – cooks faster, more controllable, no smell.
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    2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Alan North hot water is hot water.
      And I guess you never tried induction.
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      1. Alan North via Facebook ↗
        no,never tried induction and wont be

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      2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Alan North open minded.
        Love it.

        Enjoy.
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    3. Gee Lloyd via Facebook ↗
      Alan North Remember every time you cook with gas you’re poisoning yourself, family and the environment
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      1. Alan North via Facebook ↗
        all my family have always cooked with gas,all lived to ripe old ages,we are both late 70ts,not changing now

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    4. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Alan North good for you.
      Enjoy them bills.

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  16. Adam White via Facebook ↗
    Tesla Tripping are you vegan?
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Adam White no

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  17. Stephen Dalton via Facebook ↗
    Run ducted air of a battery it must be about 40 to 50 KW , we run aircon 24/7 can use 70KW over 24 hours

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Stephen Dalton I had ducted air conditioning in our last house. As you said, it uses a lot of power. I found it to be very inefficient for many reasons, such as not being able to close doors. I’ll make a separate post about ducted air con.

      This time, we’re getting a multihead split system. I’ll also post about how that’s going.

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      1. Stephen Dalton via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping we are cooling a open plan 5 bedroom house very large area

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  18. Peter Angela Murphy via Facebook ↗
    According to VBA /BPC only 70 plumbers in Victoria hold the appropriate licences to change over a 20 kw gas ducted heater to a 20 kw heat pump air conditioner. I am one of them and I have retired. There is no pathway for a gasfitter to become a Refrigeration installer except for small systems and evan then they cannot repair their own work under warrenty.

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Peter Angela Murphy I’m probably missing something, but just to clarify, we’re not converting our gas ducted heating to ducted air conditioning. We’re decommissioning the gas ducted system and installing a multi head split air conditioning system. 😊
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      1. Peter Angela Murphy via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping the person directly supervising needs to be licenced
        - Gassftter to decommission heater
        - Mechanical services for ductwork
        -Full refrigeration for multi head system
        -Sanitary plumber for any drains connected to sewerage such as sinks etc.
        -Roofing for all roof penatrations
        -Electrician for all wireing

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  19. Marky Owen via Facebook ↗
    More fool you. Get rid of your government and not your gas utilities.
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Marky Owen Why would I want to keep something that costs me more money to run and has health risks?
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      1. Jeff Bailey via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping why would you want something produced by Tesla. Products are crap and it's principal is a thieving crook.

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      2. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
        Jeff Bailey I’m no fan of Elon (and probably many other CEOs).

        Since you asked: Our Tesla car has been fantastic. Zero smell, quiet, super fast, practically no maintenance. And we mostly fill up the “tank” for free from the sun. But that’s the same with most EVs.

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    2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Marky Owen LNP voter?

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  20. Kool Bass via Facebook ↗
    Well done.
    We also have 2 split system heater/cooler air cons, a heat pump hot water and induction cooktop, no gas at all. Our 2025 electricity bill including charging the EV for about 25,000kms a year (some days solar) and also the 6.6kw solar array and a Tesla PW2 house battery, for the ENTIRE YEAR was $424 and the year before was $509 as I drove the car probably closer to 35,000 kms that year.
    This is with OVO energy.
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  21. Robert Franc via Facebook ↗
    Natural gas is constanly produced from earths core. We have unlimited supply. You all got sucked in by people that drink almond milk. Nutters no pun intended
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Robert Franc “Natural gas” is a marketing term for what is actually methane from decomposed organic matter, buried for a long time. Releasing it into the atmosphere is bad for breathing and climate. It is a finite resource. It doesn’t come from the earth’s core. You can Google “what is natural gas” to confirm all of this.
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    2. Joshua McTackett via Facebook ↗
      Robert Franc that’s a new one 😂
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    3. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Robert Franc yeah. Who cares about climate change?
      We love fires and floods.
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    4. Gee Lloyd via Facebook ↗
      Robert Franc Remember every time you cook with gas you’re poisoning yourself, family and the environment
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    5. Geoff Bednal via Facebook ↗
      Robert Franc did you finish school. You certainly were asleep in science.

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  22. Graeme Clemas via Facebook ↗
    If natural gas was as cheap as it should be then you wouldn't need to change, we bloody give it away to overseas buyers and they charge us a fortune for it, now they want us to stop using it and push everyone on to electricity, good luck for renewables covering all of Australia's needs, Manufacturing, households, business's, all transportation, cars, trucks, trains etc etc
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Graeme Clemas True: We give away too much gas for negligible benefit to our country. We seem to be in the pockets of fossil fuel companies. That’s one reason to get out of that system altogether and have some energy independence.
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  23. Alistair Harris via Facebook ↗
    If I had gas still, I’d go bottles and ditch the supply charge. I do miss cooking with gas but now with a 42kw battery on solar we can run what ever appliances without a power bill.
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    1. Adrian Hoban via Facebook ↗
      Alistair Harris we are on bottles and I haven’t changed them in nearly 2 years so I don’t really have a gas bill, and it beats electric cooking by a long shot👍
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  24. Jeff Bailey via Facebook ↗
    You will be sorry.

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Jeff Bailey Why?

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    2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Jeff Bailey no he won't
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      1. Dave Snowy via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar he will be if it fails outside of warranty

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      2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Dave Snowy 15 years for battery and 25 for panels.
        It'll be a very long wait for the crying part.

        In the meantime, it looks like you're crying right now, cooker.
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      3. Dave Snowy via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar calls me a cooker 🤣🤣

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  25. Patrick Sportelli via Facebook ↗
    Am I missing something, is solar and battery installation currently free?
    I’m all for saving money but don’t we need to consider the capital outlay repayment, loss of potential earnings on capital outlay or interest expense if funds are borrowed?
    All good to say you don’t have a bill, but what has it cost to not have that bill? And when is the projected break even?
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Patrick Sportelli We installed solar and battery two years ago for electricity supply and independence in case of blackouts (up to nine days in a row). Since then, we have so much excess electricity that we have slowly moved away from gas to use our “free” excess electricity.

      But, you are right, that there was capital expense up front.
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    2. David Unwin via Facebook ↗
      Patrick Sportelli my payback on solar (not batteries) was 7 years. And then I disconnected gas and installed split system AC. The solar payback went to 4 years after that change. As far as the capital cost of AC is concerned, I don't count it, because before I didn't have AC and after, I did. The cooling in summer was worth it no matter the cost. (It was $5k for two AC units).
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    3. Roger Williams via Facebook ↗
      Patrick Sportelli We installed grid tied solar in 2022. New Brunswick, Canada. We paid cash for the system and got about 6% ROI. Power has gone up 20% since...so our ROI is now 8%. If we had taken out a loan, we would be breaking even on a 15 year loan. We would like to have battery backup on our whole house, but that would have doubled the price. If our utility implements TOU billing, batteries may become feasible.
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    4. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Patrick Sportelli it's called ROI.
      You invest, pay less, return the money and start saving.

      Simple economical concept.
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      1. Patrick Sportelli via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar You’ve missed the point
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      2. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Patrick Sportelli what point?
        You said one need to consider ROI.
        I said it's normally 6-7 years.

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      3. Patrick Sportelli via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar The point that many with Solar ( and I’m not anti Solar, I think it’s great ) fail to mention the capital outlay for the technology when referring to savings.
        Simply mentioning ROI without any analysis is pointless, not all investments are successful.
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      4. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Patrick Sportelli the role of thumb is 6-7 for most people.
        It might be a bit less it a bit more, but it's still around this area.

        No one think solar is free, but if someone goes all electronic, the ROI changes dramatically due to the native efficiency gain over other domestic energy sources.
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      5. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Patrick Sportelli just as an example, I invested in an EV.
        Yes, I paid for a new car.
        Which I would have regardless.

        The investment in new solar and battery, $23k in my case, not directly hugely contribute to the saving since I normally charge from the grid over night at 8c/kWh (unless it's going to be a fully sunny day), but the fact I have EV, allows me to charge the battery at 8c, even if tomorrow is gonna be miserable.

        It's pretty hard to estimate the saving over time, but it's huge.

        Getting rid of gas will save $1.5k-$4k a year, depends on how cold the winter is.

        One thing is clear, the ROI is huge over the life of a system
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    5. Gee Lloyd via Facebook ↗
      Patrick Sportelli The payback for solar for most people is about 5 years. You’re crazy if you haven’t installed solar. Why do you think most people already have it? Though I do agree, batteries make no financial sense to me.

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      1. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
        Gee Lloyd with last year subseries, it was a steal.

        The 10kwh for $10k made no sense.

        My 48kwh for about $6k did.
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    6. Francisco Shi via Facebook ↗
      Patrick Sportelli the payback on my solar and batteries is about 4.5yrs. That is 25% interest on the money I spent.
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    7. Daniel Warring via Facebook ↗
      Patrick Sportelli People are so focussed on ROI for solar/battery yet why is there no mention of it when upgrading a bathroom or kitchen or adding a deck?
      ROI is not the only consideration.

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      1. Patrick Sportelli via Facebook ↗
        Daniel Warring because you don’t renovate your bathroom or kitchen to save money on your power bill.

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  26. Peter Stone via Facebook ↗
    I can’t wait to go fully electric, the stupidly cold winters morning we had mid last year the split system had the place warmed up in minutes. Don’t need gas or its health woes.
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    1. Peter Stone via Facebook ↗
      All the cave men laugh reacting is hilarious, you think you’re stronger than cancer or emphysema?
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      1. John Smith via Facebook ↗
        Peter Stone Were you regularly breathing in the exhaust? if you thinking changing to electric is going to improve your health , you will be disappointed, but I do admire your unilateral charge to make your world better.
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      2. Peter Stone via Facebook ↗
        John Smith it 100% will… burning gas in an enclosed or semi enclosed living area is very bad for you…

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  27. Joe Pesce via Facebook ↗
    There are shmucks in this world.

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    1. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Joe Pesce self reflection?

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  28. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
    We did exactly the same.
    Couple of weeks ago the heat pump and the induction cooktop went in, the gas guy came to cap the gas (I'll get abolishment soon).

    Big battery and solar array.
    Will save close to $5k a year with this change
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  29. Evan Griffith via Facebook ↗
    I could never understand the concept of strapping a couple of high pressure gas bottles to a house particularly in bushfire prone areas.
    Spend thousands in BAL compliance and Gas bottles are good to go!
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  30. Joshua Patriarca via Facebook ↗
    Gotta pay the loan of on your solar and batterys first or did you forget that part?

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    1. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Joshua Patriarca ROI is normally 6-7 years.
      Poor argument.
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      1. Joshua Patriarca via Facebook ↗
        Ron Bar hahaha 😂

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  31. Ros Chiarotto via Facebook ↗
    So when the government creates an environment where our cheap gas becomes ridiculously expensive, so that it can justify making us all change over and then charge us more for electricity. And you then post, believing you’re saving money and the environment after spending thousands. Just wow.
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  32. Sundowner Jarkan via Facebook ↗
    Green washer completely deluded and keep believing the rubbish Nona from the fruit shop tells ya

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    1. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Sundowner Jarkan cry harder cooker

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  33. Clarkie Ekralc via Facebook ↗
    Such an uneducated post... gas cook tops are the best. More efficient than any electric. Your ac uses way more power than 1kw which is only 4amps. Your battery bank WILL NOT keep your lights on in a power outage. Its connected to the grid and its design does not separate like an off grid system. Otherwise why would you not be off grid all the time.... I know. Because you can't... and when did your solar and batteries become free? You have to pay for them somehow.
    Facts are, most people won't ever pay off the battery and solar in their life time as they sell the house within the calculated pay off period.
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    1. Ron Bar via Facebook ↗
      Clarkie Ekralc you sure about that?

      Strange.

      1. Induction cooking uses energy to heat the vessel rather than heat transfer from burning stuff.
      Many times more efficient and quick.

      2. Big enough battery and invertor (10kw is the norm for 1 phase) keeps the whole house running, lights, a/c oven, induction. Easy.

      3. The new battery systems design to provide instant blackout protection.
      It works while the grid is out.
      The switch is so quick, you don't even know the power is out.

      But you do you.
      You know better.
      I guess today's power outage that I didn't know about until I got the battery system notification was not real.
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    2. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Clarkie Ekralc Our real world experience so far:
      1. Two years ago, we installed 13kW solar and 13.5kWh battery. It was an up front investment which has saved us thousands of dollars so far.
      2. It initially just covered our basic electricity. But now, every additional gas system we move to electric incurs no additional ongoing cost for us, so running them is effectively free.
      3. We haven’t been charged for any net grid electricity since then.
      4. During a grid outage (a blackout), the battery fully powers our home, and recharges from solar each day.
      5 Our longest grid outage so far was nine days. We ran extension cords to our neighbours to keep them going too.
      6. The reasons I am not off grid all the time are: Sometimes I want to draw additional electricity from the grid during cheap times (eg when wind farms are pumping on a dark day); When I have excess energy and the grid price is high, my system exports, so I get paid for my contribution.
      7. I can monitor our electricity usage in real time via connected apps. That’s how I can tell you that our living room air con used about 1kW to maintain temperature. It uses more initial to reach that temperature.

      We have posted about each step along the way, successes and failures, on our Tesla Tripping blog.

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      1. Clarkie Ekralc via Facebook ↗
        Tesla Tripping so much initial false information. Now your back clarifying anything questioned. Delete the post...

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  34. Henry Di Paolo via Facebook ↗
    That “burnt gas” pumping out in your photo is water vapour which is a byproduct or burning gas along with C02 which is used by, oh I don’t know, maybe plants.
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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Henry Di Paolo Yes, as described in the post 😊

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  35. Adrian Hudson via Facebook ↗
    😂

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  36. Keith Atkins via Facebook ↗
    You’ve literally gone mad.
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  37. Brett Andrew Nielsen via Facebook ↗
    Would your solar set up be more cost-effective if you did not have government grants?
    The government are paying for more than half of your battery and solar set up and he’s still just breaking even is solar and battery were more cost-effective. They wouldn’t need to subsidise 

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Brett Andrew Nielsen I bought my battery before the subsidies. It’s so much cheaper now.

      The amount that the government subsidises the fossil fuel industry is eye watering, and that money mostly goes off shore. I’d much rather have my tax dollars subsidise Australians to make their own power.

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  38. Mat Smith via Facebook ↗
    Have a 9kg gas bottles.. lasts about 3 months of cooking. Have Solar and battery still get a bill.

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  39. John Noorlander via Facebook ↗
    Did you pay cash or take out a loan?

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  40. Steve Knight via Facebook ↗
    In about 100 years they’ll have made their money back on the battery.

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  41. Jeff Bailey via Facebook ↗
    How much are you getting paid to spread this propaganda.

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  42. Robert Reakes via Facebook ↗
    You realise gas is one.of the cleanest burning fuels right ? Carcinogenics ??? You have lost the plot really. And green house gasses you realise that ALL PLANT LIFE ON EARTH relies on carbon and carbon dioxide to live ?? Some people are just too brainwashed for reality

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  43. Nick Wright via Facebook ↗
    Advertorial shit

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  44. Sam Shibani Ghosh via Facebook ↗
    Mmmmm.... Boot...

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  45. Donno Jay via Facebook ↗
    My parents are mid 80s, had gas stove and oven! Cooked in aluminum saucepans and are still healthy.. fancy that. My Grandma died at 98, same thing

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    1. Tesla Tripping eTripping.au
      Donno Jay My dad lived to 93. He smoked all his life, worked with asbestos, narrowly escaped a falling boulder on the freeway. He lived despite all that. It wasn't a blueprint.

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  46. Michael Smith via Facebook ↗
    Are you retarded?

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  47. Dan Saway via Facebook ↗
    Sigenergy user here, i am currently unbinded with Globird but its all smooth riding, my $50 referral link below.

    Join GloBird Energy using my referral link and we both get $50! https://quote.globirdenergy.com.au/quote?pcode=refer&…

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