Multi-head air conditioning installation

The original plan was to install a multi head system, with five heads (one in each of five rooms), and one shared compressor, outside.

Due to a change of plans (see “Problems” below), we end up with three heads on our multi-head system, covering our downstairs living area (lounge, dining, kitchen), master bedroom, and guest room.

Configuration:

Shared compressor: 18kW (though much lower in actual use)
Head 1: Master bedroom: 2.8kW
Head 2: Guest room: 2.8kW
Head 3: Living area: 8.4kW

Cost:

The original quote was for a five head system, including two more 2.8kW heads and a slightly larger 20kW compressor.

$14,776 Emerald 20kW with 5 x heads
-$7,140 VEECS discount
-$386 EOY Sale
$7,250 Total inc GST

Inclusions:

Removal of Gas ducted system 1 (no duct removal)
Double storey

We paid about 20% deposit up front, and the rest on completion.

As you can see above, the VEECS rebate/discount paid for about half of the system. As part of the project, we replaced the existing gas ducted heating.

We also replaced our old Panasonic 7kW split system that was slightly underpowered for our living area. It now needs a new home, along with the frog that was apparently warming itself there.

We chose an Emerald branded system. The company happens to have the same name as our town. But I chose it for other reasons, including price, warranty and because they include control via an app (which I will detail in another post).

The team of plumbers/gas fitters and electricians have been here for a couple of days, installing our new air con system. They did a great job, were consultative, approachable and professional.

We chose O'Brien Electrical & Plumbing Rowville because they have a good reputation, and gave the best quote. Their initial on-line quoting process was pretty good, promptly asking for photos and floor plans. They followed up with an on site inspection.

Some other companies I approached on-line either didn’t respond, or took ages, or couldn’t discuss anything until they sent out a rep. Someone really needs to build a step by step quotation system, with quick turnaround and status updates.

Problems:

O’Brien’s installation team was great, as I mentioned. But the process between that first quote and the final installation had several frustrations, mainly their long delays to email a reply to queries, and being passed between different contact people. They also sent someone out to do a second quote, which was more than the original. It left a sour taste since I had chosen them based on that first quote, but now weeks later it was too late to start the whole process again with another provider.

We had a technical hitch with installing the two heads in the upstairs loft rooms. The first quoter suggested that the heads might not fit in the space above the loft windows. The second quoter said it would be okay. But on the day, the installers said it wasn’t going to work. Not enough clearance inside, and the outside woodwork would make ducting difficult and ugly. The lead installer suggested that we instead opt for low level units, which are mounted about 15cm above the floor. But, we all waited in limbo while the office decided what to do. In the end, we had to defer the upstairs installation by a couple of weeks. I will post separately about that installation.

If I knew about the problems up front, I would have probably opted for a different system, such as one integrated with three ceiling heads downstairs and two floor level heads upstairs. Changing specifications mid install is something that should have been avoided much earlier.

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16 comments

  1. Just FYI, those kW values are thermal, not electrical. The electrical values will likely be 5x less
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  2. Do Emerald have a cassette ?
    Solves the window space above problem
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    1. Karl Jensen I don't think so 🤔. I've added a photo of the loft window showing the tight space above it.

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      1. Tesla Tripping yeah a ceiling cassette would have been a win for there.

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  3. I keep wanting to do multi heads but each time I chicken out and just buy another split reasoning it'll be a lot cheaper to replace one bedrooms unit in 5 years when the model of multi I picked wasn't available any more etc
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    1. Charlie Hooper I picked Mitsubishi Electric for the same reason. They will still make what they make now in another 10 years
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  4. Oh dear, gas is efficient and very quick to heat, these will be a complete let down. Not to mention how has the brand emerald is

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    1. Keith Atkins The one month we used gas heating last winter, our gas bill was $528. Per degree of temperature change, air conditioning is multiple times more efficient, and also cheaper. We’ll see how it goes this winter.
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  5. Really surprised people buying these no name brands still and even more surprised anyone would have said head units would fit above those windows.
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    1. Haha , typical rebate company’s , ruin the industry and shut down the company as soon as the rebates are gone . No liability whatsoever . With such a high rebate I would’ve thought they could afford some extra capping over the pipes and a few saddles on the electrical conduit . Haha use a air conditioning company that’s been around longer then the rebates , it won’t take 7 weeks and 4 different subcontractors contractors to get the job done😂

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  6. What a heap of crap… poor man pays twice!
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    1. Michael BorowikTrue, this customer is going to have to throw good money after bad in the not too distant future for being cheap. Why doesn't this logic apply to 40yo units with bad IR?

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  7. Hope the team of electricians and plumbers had a licensed refrigeration technician who holds a certificate 3 in air conditioning and refrigeration as it’s not legal for certificate 2 holders to install multi head systems. Also would hope that the pipe lengths have been measured accurately to ensure the system doesn’t require additional refrigerant to be added.
    The outdoor unit appears to be mounted directly to concrete slabs with no rubber feet or waffle pad installed.
    There is also a lot of exposed insulation on pipework that could’ve been avoided by installing some extra capping and putting some saddles on the electrical corrugated conduit that looks untidy.

    Not sure about if Emerald are a decent brand to be honest but there’s only one way to find out, hopefully they will legitimately honour any warranty issues if they occur.

    Most issues that ever occur are usually installation related and unfortunately the majority of the domestic market is taken up by Electricians and Mechanical Plumbers who are legally not allowed to service, repair or do anything to a refrigerated AC unit after the installation is complete. This includes guaranteeing their work. Not saying they won’t warranty their work just pointing out they aren’t licensed to do so.
    The above being said there are both good and bad tradesmen/tradeswomen out there in all trades :)

    Sincerely a Fridgy trying to help educate people (currently completing electrical apprenticeship too so no hate from the sparkys pls)
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  8. Planning to install Emerald 5 head 18.4 kw vrf system. Any thoughts?

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    1. Deepak Dange Is has been good so far, though we ended up with just three heads. I’m still working out the app controlled WiFi/IR Emerald AC links that are only working half the time, so far.

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      1. Tesla Tripping thanks

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