Wild weather hits Victoria

Wow, what a wild weather ride in Victoria yesterday. We’re still in NSW, but the Weather app summarised the weather at home in Emerald as “Fire Weather” 😮. The heat was followed by a heavy storm that knocked down many trees and power lines.

In the middle of the day, wholesale electricity prices peaked at a hundred times the norm at nearly $20 per kWh (normally under 20c per kWh). I checked our home remotely using the Tesla app. It was exporting power from our battery (and solar) to help keep the grid supply going, whilst paying us about $100 per hour for the supply!

Our battery has continued to supply power to our home during the blackout. We messaged some of our neighbours an invitation to come over and plug in any needed devices (such as phones or a portable fridge). A few of them also checked on our house for us. Great neighbours and community ☺️.

We might need to also offer them showers because those with on demand gas hot water often need electricity to light them.

All the petrol stations in the area are also closed. We hope to be able to charge from our solar panels when we get home, if the grid is still off line.

Some technical details:

Before we left home last week, I turned off two strings of the solar array. Because we are on a wholesale market electricity plan, the price can even go negative, where you pay to export during times of high production and low consumption in the grid, such as a sunny lunch time on a weekend. If I had left all the solar panel strings on, we probably would have been paid $200 for the hour of peak export, but it would have been slowly eroded by paying for export at low demand times.

Ideally, we should be able to just turn off the solar production remotely, either via an app or automatically. I am looking to Enphase Energy to provide a solution for this.

Unfortunately, the exporting was short lived, with the grid dying an hour or so later. No grid meant we could no longer export.

During the day, our solar panels power our house, charge up our battery and export any excess. During a blackout, it is supposed to continue to supply the house and battery. But, it’s not working. There’s currently no solar production. The charge in the battery is slowly draining, currently down to about 60%. We have put in an urgent service request to the installer, Lightning Energy, to hopefully remedy this soon, before we lose all power. AusNet estimates “multiple days” without power. Belong has also informed us that broadband is off line, so we can no longer monitor our house remotely. The Tesla Powerwall battery gateway is supposed to have a wireless cellular backup connection, so I don’t know why that’s not connecting.

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  1. I believe there is a very specific way to wire up Enphase and Tesla Powerwall 2 to support charging with solar during grid black out. Hopefully your issue will be resolved soon and will be keen to hear what the problem is, and how it is resolved.
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  2. Best of luck to get power back ASAP and figure out why your solar isn't recharging the battery during blackouts
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  3. Why did you turn off 2 of the strings?
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    1. Grant Donnelly Good question. We are on a wholesale electricity plan which sometimes pays very well for exports (as noted above). But often, it’s the reverse, such as on sunny middays when few people in the state are home, there is a surplus of renewable power in the grid, so prices can actually reverse, making you pay to export. With all the strings turned on, we could be paying to export 10kW to the grid. So, I turned off two of the strings while we’re away, leaving one to keep the house and battery going.

      Ideally, Enphase Energy should provide a way for us to remotely turn off strings of solar panels – something about which I enquired at Everything Electric, in Sydney.
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      1. Tesla Tripping that was going to be me next question - if you could control the feed remotely.
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      2. Tesla Trippingyour situation is going to become more common with some areas over saturated with solar output at times and desperate for more at other times

        Please let me know if Enphase say they'll make a serious attempt at being able to remotely ramp/up down your generation via app
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      3. Tesla TrippingPS is there any way you could join a VPP with your existing solar and battery and let them deal with the market bidding?
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      4. Neerav Bhatt The Amber Electric app is still showing what I understand to be their VPP as pending. So, I was pleasantly (and financially) surprised when I checked in high demand that our Powerwall was exporting to the grid. I’m not sure what mechanism was responsible for that.

        Maybe when Amber eventually connects our Powerwall to their system, it will improve a bit. But I don’t think that can ramp down our production during negative prices 🤔.

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      5. Tesla Tripping it would be good for Enphase to have a remote way of zero export limiting power.

        We have our own DIY version and has been working fantastic for last couple months.
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      6. Tesla Tripping sounds like you could financially justify another (couple of?) PW(s)….?
        Are you connected to 3 phase supply? (Important question)

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    2. Grant Donnelly I’ve edited my original post to describe the situation. Thanks for asking.
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  4. In case you’re interested, our electricity plan is with Amber Electric. They pass on the wholesale price, which adjusts every half hour or so. That’s how we managed to be paid $100 for an hour of electricity export.

    Here’s a link to sign up with a discount (we also get a discount for the referral):

    https://mates.amber.com.au/3QQ8L3XC
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    1. Tesla Tripping I thought about Amber but with the negative pricing I don't think it will work out long term, I've decided to stay with Energy Locals (Tesla) for the extended warranty on our 2 Powerwall's (15yrs)
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    2. Can you not go off grid using the Tesla App, I do all the time
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      1. Ash Cooke Yes, I have tried the “off grid” software switch successfully in the past. But that’s not my current problem. We’re already off grid.

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  5. Yeah we made $130 yesterday, did you lose power at all yesterday afternoon?

    Ours went out for 18 hours
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    1. Scott Cassidy Yes, we lost grid power in the morning, then back on for an hour or two, then off, and has stayed off, possibly for days to come.

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  6. Nice export $$$ from the battery.

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  7. Big here in Rawson. Hail too. Off grid so no worries.
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  8. There are scripts available that poll the amber price and set the grid export profile to zero. Here's an example. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm tempted to try it one day!

    https://github.com/ZimbiX/amber-enphase-zero-export-switc…
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  9. Is your solar connected to the backup gateway? Is your whole house backed up by the battery or just certain circuits? If the latter, it's likely the solar isn't connected to the gateway

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  10. Based on your photos posted, and your statement about turning off 2 strings, you have 3 strings of micro inverters, 2 on non backup and 1 on backup. You have turned of the backed up string, no wonder you do not have solar production. Not an installation issue, user error.
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    1. Ben Scales Yes and No. Yes, my user error was turning off the wrong string, which was the “backup” string. I didn’t know that during an outage, the solar system only activates one specific string 🤦.

      But even with that string on, it wasn’t working because the installation was missing a connection wire from the Tesla Gateway to tell the Envoy Solar controller to keep going in an outage.

      It’s fixed now, and providing power ☺️

      Here’s the sequel post:
      https://www.facebook.com/tesla.tripping/posts/44106028218…

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      1. Tesla Tripping that's a strange thing you have been told. No connection between gateway and envoy is required.
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  11. Tesla Tripping are you still with Amber Electric?
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    1. Scott Cassidy Yes, we’re still with Amber Electric.

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      1. Tesla Tripping than you might like the new EV trial tariff with Ausnet. Basically almost the same prices for off and peak but you get a "solar soaker" where the network fees are -1c between 10am and 3pm. Which meant yesterday between 10am and 3pm my import price was 0c to -2c
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      2. Scott Cassidy Thanks for the tip. Do you have a link? We’re currently making money through Amber, even with EV charging, short daylight, many overcast days.

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      3. Tesla Tripping here is some photos from my Amber app. It makes the 10am to 3pm slot about 6c cheaper than your current rates and about 2c dearer on the peak 3pm to 9pm part.

        https://imgur.com/a/x5HRoyc

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